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Lister Engines => Original Lister Cs Engines => Topic started by: 38ac on June 27, 2017, 01:02:26 PM

Title: Just some eye candy
Post by: 38ac on June 27, 2017, 01:02:26 PM
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Title: Re: Just some eye candy
Post by: dieselspanner on June 27, 2017, 01:29:07 PM
Nice, when I did mine I took your advice and boiled it in a 40 gallon barrel, there was still enough carbon left over to put lead in a decent size pencil. Anyway, now the fun starts.

The best way I've found of getting the carbon from under my nails is doing the washing up.

We run a small B&B / ski chalet, if we have a full house over the weekend it's a full roast dinner on Sunday night.  Doing all the pots and pans that won't fit in the dishwasher sorts out my cuticles a treat!

A Chalet bitches work is never done............

Cheers
Title: Re: Just some eye candy
Post by: dieselgman on June 27, 2017, 01:40:12 PM
Thanks Butch! Maybe gets me inspired to get back on to some of my languishing projects along these lines. Just too busy lately working with new building/inventory/health issues.

Our shop has been turning out the little water-cooled Alpha engines about as fast as we can manage - trying to keep up with the DitchWitch clients who were dropped after the demise of Lister/Petter. Can't complain about being busy though... the alternative doesn't bear considering.   ;)

dieselgman
Title: Re: Just some eye candy
Post by: mikenash on June 27, 2017, 11:00:31 PM
Fresh out of the wash cabinet is a late 6/1 that came in for rebuild.
 I think all the black in the world hides inside hi houred CS engines?  No amount of scrubbing removes it from my hands, it just has to go away on its own. Thank goodness for the spray wash cabinet dont think I would enjoy the work if I had to do this with a pan of solvent and a brush.
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Hey there 38ac

Butch - I'm thinking about your wonderful valve-events guide document.  Without peeing in your pocket I have to say that did great things to further my understanding of the process - and what is important and what is not in real-world terms.

My 6/1 has a noisy big-end and I don't feel I have a good grasp of the issues around clearance, crush and how the shims work and how to make good decisions around that stuff.  I think the journal's OK - has a couple of little scores; but it's a monster working surface and I hadn't intended to do anything to it

I'd appreciate any wisdom before I get in there and take it to bits

Cheers, Mike
Title: Re: Just some eye candy
Post by: 38ac on June 28, 2017, 12:45:43 PM
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Title: Re: Just some eye candy
Post by: mikenash on June 29, 2017, 03:52:47 AM
Cool.  Thanks very much

I had been in denial, thinking maybe I could do an OK job through the inspection hatch in the case.

But, reading your thoughts, i will wait until it's concreted/bolted down in it's permanent (ish) home then take the barrel off so I can get at it properly

That description of the amount of lateral rock that is OK makes good sense

Thanks for taking the time to explain

Cheers, Mike
Title: Re: Just some eye candy
Post by: Thob on June 29, 2017, 10:10:54 PM
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 When mounted in the rod the big end bearing I. D. should be 2.000.
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Isn't that going to be a little tight?  2.000 inch bearing on a 2.498 inch shaft?  I suspect you meant 2.500 here... that or I've totally missed something.
Title: Re: Just some eye candy
Post by: 38ac on June 30, 2017, 02:28:09 AM
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 When mounted in the rod the big end bearing I. D. should be 2.000.
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Isn't that going to be a little tight?  2.000 inch bearing on a 2.498 inch shaft?  I suspect you meant 2.500 here... that or I've totally missed something.


You are of course correct 2.500 shaft :police:
Title: Re: Just some eye candy
Post by: 38ac on July 11, 2017, 10:23:05 PM
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Title: Re: Just some eye candy
Post by: glort on July 12, 2017, 01:54:34 AM

The L version looks like something you'd expect to see in a Sci Fi show.

The Dursley lister rotary liquid hydrocarbon thermal energy converter that was left on the planet by a previous less developed species that knew a lot more about reliability and ease of Maintenance than was appreciated.
Title: Re: Just some eye candy
Post by: 38ac on July 12, 2017, 02:25:26 PM
It does look like something from a George Lucas movie, LOL. It is the  "ball top" version of the L that as far as I know was only dispatched to Canada. 
Title: Re: Just some eye candy
Post by: Thob on July 12, 2017, 04:29:57 PM
More likely from "Back to the Future"  ;D
Title: Re: Just some eye candy
Post by: glort on July 13, 2017, 08:09:32 AM

Thanks to the availability of entire TV series these days, I have been reliving a much happier and contented time of life watching Star Trek- Next generation episodes. Also got DS9 and Voyager.

Sure takes me back. Early to late '20s, living with and taking care of my grandmother then on my own, was on Tuesdays nights late enough that I could go to pistol club and shoot there till they finished sweeping the floors and Kicked me out, up to the wood fire Pizza shop in town Who I am sure would wair for me before they closed ( early on going there I scared off a couple of low lives with a knife trying to threaten the owner) and be home to sit down and eat and watch the show.

I remember sitting there waiting for the show to start the night of 9/11. I thought I had the wrong Channel at first and was watching a Movie. Then thought they must have changed the time of star trek and went to see what else was on only to find nothing, it was on every Channel. Then I realised it was the news I was watching and really happening.  Went to bed a 4:30 am and the Mrs asked why I was coming to bed so late. I told her " the world changed tonight" and told her what happened. She came in and woke my up the next morning when she saw it still on TV. I said I told you this last night. She said I thought it was a movie you were talking about. I sais I thought it was one too till I realised.

The Ball head looks like something the inhabitants of the planet Zorg 912 had developed as a weapon against the Romulans.

Take that thing to a show and put a bunch of chasing lights on it and paint on a face and you could scare the crap out of Kids and a few adults! :0)
Title: Re: Just some eye candy
Post by: BruceM on July 13, 2017, 02:51:41 PM
Or sell it as an over unity power generation prototype. That seems a very popular area for the technically impaired.
Title: Re: Just some eye candy
Post by: dieselspanner on July 14, 2017, 10:18:21 AM
Carefull Bruce, everyone knows that Big Oil is monitoring sites like this in order to suppress any chance of a bloke in a shed developing an alternate power source

Keep it furtive, as Ed might say...........

Stef
Title: Re: Just some eye candy
Post by: glort on July 14, 2017, 12:22:04 PM
Or sell it as an over unity power generation prototype. That seems a very popular area for the technically impaired.

I had a recommended Vid following me around on YT the other day. I noticed it was getting a ton of hits fast so had a look at it.
It was all about " Free energy" which is a very similar thing and related to over unity.

I don't know why you seem to put this down to something for the technically impaired Bruce. Have you seen how many people have been able to do this? have you seen how they can get power for nothing? Sometimes no emissions, noise, heat... its amazing.  Yet still so many people Label it garbage or hogwash or whatever.

Perhaps Bruce you and other people don't really understand how this works.  It's very simple providing you know how to approach it.
You need to clear your mind of things that interfere with the Concepts.
Forget about superfluous and inconvenient things like Fact. Or scientific principles like Physics. Put logic out of your mind.  Proof is also a limiting factor in understanding how this works and do not be self centered and rude such as to ask for this to be demonstrated in front of qualified people.

Educating yourself in similar technology's and theroys can be a big help and there are many examples of them widely published luckily.
Read up on the tooth fairy, the Easter Bunny and of course the big one, Santa Claus.  When you open your mind and believe these things are real and can argue for their existance, then you will find that things like over unity, free energy and the man in the moon are easy to come to terms with and understand. It's all about forgetting those nasty and defeatist things like the truth and reality and such like and then it will all make perfect sense.

Seeing the number of hits these vids get, I really have to get around to doing one.  Get some old electronic parts, throw in the obligatory coil of copper wire, make a far fetched claim and you are there. if you want lots of hits, couple up some electric motors with a heap of belts and pulleys all spinning Busily and watch the number of people complimenting you on your amazing achievement and even people wanting to buy it off you.

I think a couple of blokes like you and I with an IQ over 50 could make a lot of money out of these idio..... investors!    ;D
Title: Re: Just some eye candy
Post by: BruceM on July 14, 2017, 07:30:56 PM
My recent low frequency, low EMI inverter design can easily be shown to produce 30% more AC power than DC being used; most meters won't show the current spikes on the DC side properly and will under-report DC current significantly. When measured properly, it's actually 8% loss (92% efficient).

 True RMS measurement of power in and out is highly dependent on waveform, frequency, and the test equipment.  This is the basis for many of the "over unity" frauds out there.  Some are more creative with hidden motors and such.  It's an entertaining field full of charlatans and their devoted followers.  Humans can and do believe strongly in almost anything with no rational proof or evidence.  And the well documented and well proven Dunning-Kruger effect insures that certainty will increase proportionally with ignorance; so whenever you are feeling quite certain you really have to question yourself.  Thus we have the world we do. 

It's not easy being a human.






Title: Re: Just some eye candy
Post by: dieselspanner on July 14, 2017, 08:17:48 PM
Wow!

I never heard of the Dunning Kruger effect, but having Googled it I can see where they're coming from.

The bloke who invented the Easy  Out stud remover must well worth a look at!

Stewf
Title: Re: Just some eye candy
Post by: BruceM on July 14, 2017, 08:31:05 PM
Dunning-Kruger helps explain a lot- especially in politicians with "simple" solutions.  As my own intellect and memory is failing alarmingly due to MS, I think more about these things. Perhaps in another year or two I'll be completely certain, and care free?!



Title: Re: Just some eye candy
Post by: Tom on July 14, 2017, 09:53:52 PM
Oh man the stuff learned on the Internet. It amazing how much I don't know and how incompetent I am.  ::)
Title: Re: Just some eye candy
Post by: EdDee on July 15, 2017, 08:15:56 AM
Bring on the lemon juice......
Title: Re: Just some eye candy
Post by: glort on July 15, 2017, 10:08:42 AM
Oh man the stuff learned on the Internet. It amazing how much I don't know and how incompetent I am.  ::)

The net is such a Quandary to me.
So much wasted on moronic garbage like crapping on about what celeb is sleeping with who or other social media garbage and rubbish like " gaming"  but also such a powerful resource for places like this and so much more. I was only saying to a friend the other day, I wonder if they even print and sell encyclopedias any more when we all have an up to date one for free at our fingertips.

I have learnt so much off the net and made a sizeable part of my living from it in the last 15 years certainly. I have looked at new business models and had people give me their time to help and teach me things that slingshot my experience forward to things I would have never had the smarts to work out myself in a decade if ever at all. With the right help and reference points, you can become an overnight expert.
There is so much one can learn and benifit from with the net if only one puts it to use.

I used to get a bit annoyed with my son through his lack of appreciation of this. As young kids, I always pushed their reading skills. I was always of the opinion that if you can read, you can educate yourself in anything you like.  I am a highschool dropout, left the DAY i turned 15. Wasn't a bad student for anything I gave half a damn about, just hated school and the fact even then I realized they were teaching me so much useless crap I'd never need in life and that has sure been proven. I had my kids reading proper magazines before they even got to school as as a consequence their reading was always off the scale for their age.

Suffice to say I had a tough Childhood and by the time I was 13 It was just my grandmother and I. Every useful thing I learned I had to teach myself. Most of that was from being a book worm and going to the local Library. I used to get annoyed at my son because he had this awesome amount of knowledge at his fingertips but he'd come to me for everything. I'd tell him look it up and he'd get annoyed. I don't know whether I did the right thing or not but I just wanted him to be independent and learn to look after himself. I figured if I could do these things well before his age with nothing like the resources he had, there was no reason he couldn't' teach himself a lot more than I knew.
Fortunately he did start getting the hint and looking things up and learning.  The more he did that, the more it became habit and the more he learned.

I see a down side to is as well.  As a photographer I like to spend time on photo forums. As much time as I do like looking at them, mainly business related things, the more I see how brainwashed people are becoming. There is so much sheeple thinking it's amazing.  It's like a practice that always had at least 4 ways to skin a cat only now has one single usually pathetically flawed mindset that everyone follows and if you don't your an idiot, deceitful, have no clue or all 3.  People will go on with and maintain the most ridiculous notions and the lengths they will go to to support and argue them in the face of facts and evidence that prove they are wrong is mind numbing. I have always enjoyed these discussions and learned so much but I'm realising I have to give it away now. It's doing my head in and the older not netwashed mentality people I talk to and have worked with being smarter than I have all come to the same conclusion.

It's like all the younger ( and a good amount of the older ones) are just so net/brain washed they are living in a parallel universe.
I keep thinking that all these other people can't be wrong, it has to be me getting left behind but each and every time I ask people things and test the ideas or think I'm the wone that's wrong, real people/ clients confirm I'm absoloutley right and wonder where the hell I got that stupid idea from.
Makes me wonder then how the others get away with it. I think a big thing is they converse and deal a lot with other net washed people who have an outlook very akin in it's habits to Political correctness gone mad.

My industry is going down the toilet fast and it's in no small way to the internet brainwashed mentality these people hold. It just takes one clown whos now a lot better at talking to the masses and telling them garbage they want to hear than they ever were at actually practicing what they preach, IE, running a profitable business, to come up with some cockamamie idea and preach it to a few of the sheeple worshipers and that stupid idea becomes fact. Anyone challenging it no matter with what fact, evidence or logic is some sort of evil person whom must be disregarded and hated for their wrong  views.  That's me frequently And the more you can prove your unacceptable thinking is in fact vindicated and absolutely correct, the more you are despised. The level of narrow mindedness and the overpowering sheeple mentality is just becoming alarming.

I think it all started when I said faceboob wasn't the only way to promote a business, you shouldn't need the latest gear as it comes out to rely on as a crutch for the quality of your work and business skills were a very important thing to have no matter what trade or industry you are in. 
Speaking such filth and blasphemy  makes the backlash I have received over those few against the grain positions alone, a wonder I haven't been hunted down and Killed in my bed!

While really not bothering with any other social media, I do love Youtube.
I have seen so much on that which I never knew existed in the world. Machinery, places, products, methodology's and stupidity like I provide for entertainment.
As with things I see here, the downside is you get to realise how incredibly smart some people are, the skill and abilities they have and I realize just what a pathetically dumb shit I really am.
On the upside, I also get to see there are morons and idiots by the million that make my own sorry lack of intelligence put me in the comparative genius category!  I have the smarts to figure getting smacked in the face with a shovel was going to hurt, I didn't have to test the theory to know I was right like some have!

Thankfully, there are still a few places like this where there are still real people with their feet firmly on the ground who can tell the difference between real world reality and Cyberspace. Only problem is, Not enough of those people.

Thanks to one and all here who make me realise I'm not loosing my mind. If I am, I'll side with you all here as few in number as we may be against all the other internet single brained upstarts. They would curl up in a corner in the fetal position and have a brain malfunction if you took their phone off them for 24 hours and have a complete mental break down after 3 days. Running short of battery and not being able to charge their phones up sends most of them into a panic attack on a daily basis.  ::)

Title: Re: Just some eye candy
Post by: vdubnut62 on July 15, 2017, 08:56:37 PM
I LOVE youtube!  Where else could you learn to completely refurbish a 100 year old obsolete WICO EK magneto by just watching a video series? I was scared to death to open it up, but after youtube, now I are a expert. Smart too! ::)
Ron.