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Title: Lister CS 6-1 Startomatic Engine
Post by: millman56 on January 06, 2011, 12:26:39 AM
Lister CS 6-1 Startomatic type engine, s/n 231617, it has the heavy flywheels, one flywheel has two B section vee belt grooves machined in it for belt coupling to a generator head, this engine is good for a 2.5 Kw continuous load, it has a working valve lifter/fuel cut off solenoid fitted.
The engine starts easily and runs well without known faults.   It has frost damage in the usual place that has been repaired to a high standard and is missing the rocker cover, these are cheaply available.  The engine can be seen running on Youtube entitled "Richards Lister CS 6-1 Startomatic Engine" photos will be posted in my photo gallery soon.   Bids to be sent via PMs to myself or DrDeath and the final price will include delivery to Dodge City Ks.  Thank you for your interest, Mark.
Title: Re: Lister CS 6-1 Startomatic Engine
Post by: bschwartz on January 06, 2011, 09:39:38 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmC_-JJnGjE&feature=related
Title: Re: Lister CS 6-1 Startomatic Engine
Post by: DRDEATH on January 07, 2011, 11:37:25 AM
There is usually brass valve covers listed on eBay UK which are pretty reasonable and arrangements could be made to have them shipped so they could be placed in the container so there would not be a large shipping expense for them. They look pretty BOSS. Mike DD
Title: Re: Lister CS 6-1 Startomatic Engine
Post by: millman56 on January 16, 2011, 09:23:36 PM
Hi everyone,  the CS startomatic engine is withdrawn from the auction so apologies to anyone who may have had an interest but not put any bids in.  Unusal for these days in the UK,  I am very busy with my day job and this along with the crap weather we have had over here recently, has combined to slow the Lister project to a snails pace    What we intend to do now is tidy up our rough looking engines up and aquire missing accessory`s in order to improve their presentation.   The auction will begin again when all the engines  are sale ready which given the recent weather over here may be late spring. This will enable all the engines to be auctioned concurrently and give a shorter time between purchase and shipping.   Pete has put 3 of his engines on Youtube, his username is " dieselpete "  now theres a surprise !  Mark,
Title: Re: Lister CS 6-1 Startomatic Engine
Post by: spencer1885 on January 16, 2011, 09:34:55 PM
Well that's one way of saying your not getting any bids. ;D
Could it be any thing to do with the fact that Listeroids are available again.
If the yanks are not buying Uk Listers then there's more for us. ::)
Title: Re: Lister CS 6-1 Startomatic Engine
Post by: millman56 on January 16, 2011, 09:50:39 PM
No Mathew it isn`t, its precisely what I said and if you think that these engines will be for sale in the UK then you don`t know me. Why can`t you leave your abrasion in the CS cylinder where it belongs?  Mark.
Title: Re: Lister CS 6-1 Startomatic Engine
Post by: DRDEATH on January 16, 2011, 10:11:13 PM
First of all this has nothing to do with engine kits back in the US. Had anyone known the winter would set in the way it did over there they would have never decided to start it when they did. If there was anything different other than that I believe I would have been told and they would not still be buying more engines. I don't understand why people always think something different than what was written. There are still people looking for real Lister's and I think these 2 guys have tried their best given the weather conditions. I am not discouraged and I hope anyone who still wishes to own a real deal will not be either. One more thing just for the record. I have no financial gain from this venture just as I had none from the other container. Mike DD
Title: Re: Lister CS 6-1 Startomatic Engine
Post by: spencer1885 on January 16, 2011, 10:29:10 PM
No Mathew it isn`t, its precisely what I said and if you think that these engines will be for sale in the UK then you don`t know me. Why can`t you leave your abrasion in the CS cylinder where it belongs?  Mark.


       ;D


No I don't know you should I ?
What's your motivation for this project?
So your telling me if you could not sell to the USA then you would keep them just to be awkward.
Why would you not sell them in the UK.
I think we can guess why.
Title: Re: Lister CS 6-1 Startomatic Engine
Post by: millman56 on January 16, 2011, 10:44:56 PM
     Matthew,   You seem to know me well enough to make your assumptions about me and post them.  Financial gain.  You have said that I will not be selling these engines in the US not me and finally I will not sell them in the UK in case pricks like you buy them  and we all know why. Mark.
Title: Re: Lister CS 6-1 Startomatic Engine
Post by: spencer1885 on January 16, 2011, 11:04:28 PM
     Matthew,   You seem to know me well enough to make your assumptions about me and post them.  Financial gain.  You have said that I will not be selling these engines in the US not me and finally I will not sell them in the UK in case pricks like you buy them  and we all know why. Mark.

Well that's clear then, your just in it for the money and will only sell where you will make the most money.
You won't sell in the UK because pricks like me might buy them, I don't think so I can tell a chancer when I see one.
The last engine you put up for auction and then withdrew ,why was that again,nothing wrong with the UK weather,was just bodged up so it ran and will almost likely need a full rebuild any way.
Did you stick on the plate on the cracked block?
Title: Re: Lister CS 6-1 Startomatic Engine
Post by: DRDEATH on January 16, 2011, 11:38:31 PM
Spencer you need to calm down. The auction in the US was doing a favor for people who were leary to send money abroad. The auction just had bad timing. As for the weather I have several friends not involved with the auction and they have all said the weather has been the worse than it has been before. If it would have been known the weather was going to be that way I would have asked that it be started in the spring. This whole auction was a favor to me. I never said I wanted them to give the engines away. No one over here that brings in engines does it for free. They have an investment. I don't have a investment so I would not expect to make anything. I have had no less than 100 maybe 150 people waiting for the auction to be in full swing. People still want real engines even if clones are available. Mike DD
Title: Re: Lister CS 6-1 Startomatic Engine
Post by: millman56 on January 16, 2011, 11:46:56 PM
   Matthew,   you`re  just a bitter jealous guy with 2 worn out CS cylinders and a shot FR1, get a life!
Title: Re: Lister CS 6-1 Startomatic Engine
Post by: br549 on January 17, 2011, 03:26:56 AM
Another two cents.   I want to say thank you Dr D, for all the work you're doing to help people here in the states, like myself have the opportunity to own an original Lister.  I know it's obvious to me that you have the best of intentions in regards to this project.  I think to accuse somebody that's obviously putting out as much effort as you are of only being into it for financial gain is a little bit sideways.
What must be hard is to put so much work into this and then have your motives questioned, when the facts and merits and the logistics of what you're doing take a considerable commitment and toll.  I would suspect that the amount of time that you have involved in this project is huge and if you were only in it for profit, it wouldn't be a paying proposition.  Illegitimi Non Carborundum.
Title: Re: Lister CS 6-1 Startomatic Engine
Post by: Sparkie on January 17, 2011, 06:17:02 AM
I will second what br549 said.  Because of Mike's and Mark's efforts, I will have the chance to own a real Lister for a reasonable price.  If the economics justify selling them in the States for more, then God bless you.  I doubt that Matthew will sell his engines off to strangers at a below market price...   

As you have indicated already, it might make sense to do some work on the rougher looking engines to ensure that they look and run great.  The parts should be easier to get in the UK and your know-how will add value to these engines.  It's an easier sell and you should be able to get your time and money back out of it.  You might even consider a price adder for the costs associated with the repair or rebuilding required on the less attractive engines.    An American buyer is way more likely to shell out good money when they have a high degree of confidence that the engine is fundamentally sound, runs good, and still has life left for whatever service is required.

Also, if a prepper is buying an engine as part of his highly reliable power system, he'll want to be sure that the engine will work when absolutely needed.  Thus, the engine must be in good working order when received by the buyer.

Thanks, again, to Mark and Mike for letting us share in this worthwhile endeavor.  Charles
Title: Re: Lister CS 6-1 Startomatic Engine
Post by: listard-jp2 on January 17, 2011, 11:06:14 AM
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Matthew,   you`re  just a bitter jealous guy with 2 worn out CS cylinders and a shot FR1, get a life!

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Matthew,   You seem to know me well enough to make your assumptions about me and post them.  Financial gain.  You have said that I will not be selling these engines in the US not me and finally I will not sell them in the UK in case pricks like you buy them  and we all know why. Mark.

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Why can`t you leave your abrasion in the CS cylinder where it belongs?  Mark


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Spencer you need to calm down.

I think that the above observation needs to be directed at everyone concerned.

There is a new reality is for UK enthusiasts, in that the emerging American interest is Listers CS engines will drive up prices significantly, and will continue to do so for the for-seeable future. Who ever is prepared to pay the market rate gets the engine, that's how Capitalism works.

For UK stationary engine enthusiasts the days of buying a reasonably priced Lister CS are long gone, due in part to eBay, and also the relative ease of availability of cheap (cloned) parts.

I am just glad that I amassed a large collection of water cooled Lister diesel engines (and an even greater collection of new OEM spares)  before they ever became popular, and even going as far as rescuing engines from scrapyards at a time when other people were of the opinion that Lister diesel engines would never be collectable.

For UK enthusiasts there are far better Lister diesel engines to concentrate on collecting:  FR, CD, CE, and JP engines. Which due to limited parts availability [unless of course you know where to source parts from. In which case they may as well be made from unobtanium], will never be as desirable as the CS. The FR engine is a case in point, and particuarly in multicylinder format is superior to a CS in every respect I can think of, if spares are not a consideration.

After having worked on many CS engines myself, and seeing how crude some aspects of the design are. Such as flywheel keys working loose on startomatic sets, due to the flywheel weight, and main bearing crankshaft diameters that cant be ground undersize due to having the same diameter as what the flywheels are keyed to. I would advise any prospective Lister CS owner to carefully inspect flywheel key condition and main bearing clearances before considering buying one of these engines (let alone buying one that is on the other side the Atlantic), as the cost of a genuine crankshaft and bearings is truly eye-watering.  This is why on a personal basis the Lister CS situation is no loss to me. As there are far better later Lister diesel engines (including air cooled) that can still be found for very low prices in the UK and elsewhere.







Title: Re: Lister CS 6-1 Startomatic Engine
Post by: spencer1885 on January 17, 2011, 06:01:35 PM
   Matthew,   you`re  just a bitter jealous guy with 2 worn out CS cylinders and a shot FR1, get a life!

I have been a member on this forum and other stationary engine forums for a long time as it's a hobby of mine.
From your sudden appearance on this forum only as part of this project has me thinking you're a dealer and only interested in margins and not the hobby of collecting stationary engines.
In my opinion the engines you have for auction aren't very good examples and I am sure our American friends will be disappointed when they find that their engine may be worn out and needs rebuilding.
As genuine CS parts are nearly all gone they will have to use Indian parts anyway.
I think showing an engine running with a plate stuck over a cracked block does not prove that it's not worn out and the repaired block does not do a potential buyer any favours.
Perhaps these engines should be sold as needing repair or rebuilding, that would be the fairest way of going about it.
Title: Re: Lister CS 6-1 Startomatic Engine
Post by: DRDEATH on January 24, 2011, 02:31:12 AM
Spencer I have been on this forum for quite awhile so I feel I have the same rights as you do. I also have the ability to make things happen. I was told that bringing engines would be almost impossible. I decided I was going to make it happen one way or another. The auction was a way for people who had issues with sending money to the UK before the engine was delivered. As for the risk the buyers will take is much less than buying from eBay. What I don't understand is WHY you are such a negative person. You are not part of this auction. I did not look to you for character reference for the sellers. So what is your motivation in acting this way???? As far as collectors we have those in the US so Mark and Pete are providing this service for them. I am personal friends with everyone I am doing business with so I state my reputation on them. I believe my reputation is solid. You seem to have quite a bit of knowledge using WMO so why don't you use your energy spreading that knowledge instead of what you are doing?????
Title: Re: Lister CS 6-1 Startomatic Engine
Post by: LowGear on January 24, 2011, 05:19:53 AM
Dear Mr. spencer 1885,

I think you're over the edge.  A friendly warning or caution is one thing and often a good rule to follow.  Rude unsubstantiated accusations are another matter.  DRDEATH has worked with a number of LEF posters and I've not seen one negative post about him.  Please take a moment and separate what you know from what you imagine and post accordingly.

Casey
Title: Re: Lister CS 6-1 Startomatic Engine
Post by: spencer1885 on January 24, 2011, 09:08:16 AM
Good morning every one,
I have not at any time said this auction was a bad idea or that DRDEATH is doing any thing than an excellent job.
I am sure that DD is a genuine person and is doing this for all the right reasons, but my comments and concerns are genuine ones and buyers should be made aware of the fact that these engines are very old and will probably need a rebuild or repair.
 :)
Spencer
Title: Re: Lister CS 6-1 Startomatic Engine
Post by: Bottleveg on January 24, 2011, 11:38:48 PM
Maybe look at it this way; if you buy an old UK CS engine, irrespective of where you buy it, view it the same as a new Listeroid from India. Work on the idea that it will need a complete rebuild.
Instead of sand in the crankcase you’ll find years worth of thick black oil that has set like tar. This stuff is as black as black gets and transports itself everywhere. Invest in some good ear protectors; you’ll need them when your partner discovers it on the best house carpet!
You won’t find any badly made parts or ill fitting castings (if all are original) but you will find parts that are worn out and castings that have cracked.
CS engines will still start and run with incredible amounts of wear on the bearings and rings but if left too long it ruins more expensive parts. Budget for at least new rings, bearings and a set of gaskets but don’t be too upset if it needs a re-bore, new piston and machine work on the crank.
It’s worth remembering that most of these engines are now over forty years old and, in their later lives, have often been ‘serviced’ by folks who are trying to get the last bit out of them, just like we’ve all done with old cars. I’ve seen all sorts added; piston rings from gods knows where, bottom big end bearings drilled to replace a top, rag oil seals in cracked main bearing casting ends, wooden shims in worn cam bearings and many castings that have been fashioned from parts of old tractors. I could go on, but my glass is empty!
If you buy an original SOM unit then anticipate a re-wire as minimum.
On the bright side, once you’ve rebuilt your engine, it will last a long time. It may even last longer than me, and I’m 94 this birthday.   ;)
Title: Re: Lister CS 6-1 Startomatic Engine
Post by: LowGear on January 25, 2011, 01:56:08 AM
Hey Bottleveg,

You think you know something just because your older than me?  You were only twenty-eight years old when I was born.  Do you think anyone is going to respect this call to reality and civility that your posting represents?  We can hope.

Happy birthday.

Casey
Title: Re: Lister CS 6-1 Startomatic Engine
Post by: DRDEATH on January 25, 2011, 02:44:11 AM
Bottleveg are you sure you didn't get the numbers turned around. 49???????  Casey thanks for the kind words earlier. Are you back to the warm climate???Mike DD
Title: Re: Lister CS 6-1 Startomatic Engine
Post by: bschwartz on January 25, 2011, 04:28:58 AM
If you follow, would that be death warmed over ????    ;D ;D :D
Title: Re: Lister CS 6-1 Startomatic Engine
Post by: Bottleveg on January 25, 2011, 09:10:49 AM
Well ok, I’m not good with the arrangement of numbers. I can do figures!
The bottom line is this; if you have an old British built Lister engine it will last a long time so make provision for it in your will.
Only the other day I was showing my daughter what she will inherit. She’s 21 now and, sadly, was not impressed. But one day she will realise the connection between a starting handle and hair strengtheners.  :D
Title: Re: Lister CS 6-1 Startomatic Engine
Post by: listard-jp2 on January 25, 2011, 10:22:37 AM
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Maybe look at it this way; if you buy an old UK CS engine. Work on the idea that it will need a complete rebuild.
Instead of sand in the crankcase you’ll find years worth of thick black oil that has set like tar. This stuff is as black as black gets and transports itself everywhere.
You won’t find any badly made parts or ill fitting castings (if all are original) but you will find parts that are worn out and castings that have cracked.
CS engines will still start and run with incredible amounts of wear on the bearings and rings but if left too long it ruins more expensive parts. Budget for at least new rings, bearings and a set of gaskets but don’t be too upset if it needs a re-bore, new piston and machine work on the crank.
It’s worth remembering that most of these engines are now over forty years old and, in their later lives, have often been ‘serviced’ by folks who are trying to get the last bit out of them, just like we’ve all done with old cars. I’ve seen all sorts added; piston rings from gods knows where, bottom big end bearings drilled to replace a top, rag oil seals in cracked main bearing casting ends, wooden shims in worn cam bearings and many castings that have been fashioned from parts of old tractors. I could go on, but my glass is empty!

Wise words indeed, these engines will take alot of abuse but it takes its toll. As long as you expect the worse and budget accordingly you wont be disappointed. From my own experience there is no substitute for original Lister engine parts if you want a trouble free engine. However there is an ever increasing demand for a diminishing supply, and increasingly Indian clone parts are the only viable option for most people.
Title: Re: Lister CS 6-1 Startomatic Engine
Post by: DRDEATH on January 25, 2011, 01:30:48 PM
Brett I think some weeks I am warmed over. When the container finally gets full then loaded life will be better. I would like to add. I have been told by some people that the parts from India seem to be better quality than the same parts thrown into engines. I am sure it is still a poor substitute for real Lister parts. DD